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Jack Jombardo Amarr Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:15:00 - [1] Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 21/02/2009 18:56:00 /me searches for the Khanid offensive :( Please one HAM/HM bonus for Amarr offensivs. 5% flight time & 5% flight speed for HAM/HMs at offensive system 4 maybe? PS: enough % so that HAMs can reach about 30km with level 5 skills :). Originally by: Vaal Erit Spread your arms out and go "Brrrrrrrrrr" and then "fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap" Then takeoff!
Jack Jombardo Amarr Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.03.03 02:35:00 - [2] Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 03/03/2009 02:37:10 Originally by: Vitrael ... very expensive T3 ships ... point of FAIL for the rest of the post. CCP clearly said, they want them to be at the same price as T2! If player TRY to make them expensive to get a 10000000000000% ISK win out of it .... this is a PLAYER PROBLEM - not a problem of T3 ships themselve! If you then start to compare T2 <> T3 with same price ... T3 can be a real alternativ but as every other ship situation depending. And another big problem from players (!!!!!) seams to be that many can't think out of the box. "waaahh, I have no premate tamplate for fitting, no given HAC/RECON/WHATEVER setup does work!!! cry whine flame troll" Like: lost manual of hifi system -> can't use it anymore ;). Well, try to throw over ALL your current fittings from known ships and then start from sero and you WILL find some emazing setting that do work very well ;). Originally by: Vaal Erit Spread your arms out and go "Brrrrrrrrrr" and then "fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap" Then takeoff!
Jack Jombardo Amarr Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.03.03 07:05:00 - [3] Originally by: Vitrael Originally by: Jack Jombardo point of FAIL for the rest of the post. CCP clearly said, they want them to be at the same price as T2! Well I tip my hat to you sir, you are the first tough guy on the internet. Oh wait. CCP "clearly said" nothing about price in their dev blog, and they almost never update their dev finder, so if you're referring to a very clear forum post then I haven't seen it, and probably nobody else has either. Regardless CCP cannot dictate the price of T3 ships anymore than they can dictate the price of rigs or other commodities built by players. Do you think they wanted every rig commodity to be completely worthless except trit bars, armor plates and melted cap consoles? To your fawor the search funktion isn't usefull here but there had been statements about the price. If they want they could dicate the price. Be it through "adjust" number of materials needed, number of drobed units, dificulty of encounter ... or the last way by sead parts as NPC stuff (or bann scammer with 1000000% prices). For the last two options I don't doupt they'll do it, but "adjust" is a easy way. Quote: Then you flame me saying that I fail at fitting ships. Considering I never even once mentioned a single T3 ship fitting (I used only generalizations) you should really re-think your point of argument. The bottom line is it is impossible (for example) to have Ewar as effective as a Recon, DPS/Tank as good as a Command ship or BS, or the mobility of a HAC on a T3 cruiser. There is no fitting you can post that can do any of those things- NONE. Sorry True, you mentioned no singel fitting, you swing the big bang hammer and say: they are ALL useless. And that wrong! Command ship = T2 BC and together with BS a ABSOLUT other class of ships. HACs can't be as swifty as Intis => HACs are grap! <- that's what you do. With a slotlayout of 8/5/6 on the Legion this is one of the view Amarr ships that can fitt: - some tankling/ew (BASE target range 150km +++ wtf?) (MWD/AB, scram, web, injector, TD) - some tank/selfrep (rep, 2 or 3 HS, rest resitences) - some DPS (7 guns, 1 neut/nos) And this all compareble easy CAP STABLE! Not good??? Or you build a sniper hack with more range, same dps, more tank then a Zealot. Not good??? Or a util-PvE boot. Yes, there isn't all about PvP (except you perma sell GTCs). So please wise man, tell me what do you expect from T3? 5000 DPS, 750k armor, speed of inti and all for the price of T1?? CRUISER size stuff better as Carriers mixed with recons?? Yea, if you try to fitt 3* 1600 plates and Heavy Beams you'll get problems ... but this is INTENDED! Originally by: Vaal Erit Spread your arms out and go "Brrrrrrrrrr" and then "fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap" Then takeoff!
Jack Jombardo Amarr Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.03.03 16:16:00 - [4] Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 03/03/2009 16:17:10 thx Amarr Holymight for the search :). I knew I saw it somewhere but didn't remember where. And for the fitting problems: Focused Laser + normal platings + some T1 named stuff for meds are your friends. T2 EW, Energized, 800+ platings and Heavy laser do not fitt, right. But there is realy no need for all this stuff to make T1 viable. PS: Laser for Amarr ;). And Largh or even X-Largh shield booster do not fitt, right. Mediums do. Originally by: Vaal Erit Spread your arms out and go "Brrrrrrrrrr" and then "fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap" Then takeoff!
Jack Jombardo Amarr Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.03.04 03:33:00 - [5] Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 04/03/2009 03:46:05 Originally by: Mes Ren I'm sorry, but have you actually fitted a Legion? Looks good on paper, but you don't have enough CPU to fit the things you just talked about. I haven't tested any of the other ships, but I have tested the Legion. I like what I'm seeing EXCEPT the severe lack of CPU. Yes I did the fitting for the Legion and as you see, I even have some CPU and GRID left ;) PS: The hole "fill a rule" discusion reminds me to Druids in a common Game g. Tank, DPS, Heal? Nobody liked em in MC as Tanks or DPS ... but I got the changs to do the jobs and gus what? I was as good in tanking all the bosses (even Nefarian) as any Warrior - when right equiped/skilled! I was as good as Prists for healing - if right equiped/skilled! I did nearly as much DPS as Rougs/Mages (about 85% of em) - if right equiped/skilled! Same happens here with T3 ships. People fail to see the concept ... fail to rethink what they know ... fail to be flexible ... fail as they try to pre-rise the prise to even make more profit building/selling there stuff. For the next time I realy should change my signatur to the statement of CCP: "T3 should be around the price of T2 FOR THE HOLE SHIP" just to take the wind out of this price-driver-posts. Originally by: CCP Nozh Where do tech 3 ships fit in?The goal has always been to have them considerably cheap, around the price of tech 2 cruisers.
Jack Jombardo Amarr Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.03.04 08:26:00 - [6] Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 04/03/2009 08:29:58 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Worst fit ever. Why? It's cool to throw in such a sentence without explaining why isn't it? PS: oh I know, you miss the 3 1600 plates and 4 HS ... yea, that mu¯t it be Originally by: CCP Nozh Where do tech 3 ships fit in?The goal has always been to have them considerably cheap, around the price of tech 2 cruisers.
Jack Jombardo Amarr Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.03.05 03:27:00 - [7] Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 05/03/2009 03:28:20 Same range as sniper HAC => make sniper HAC useless. Simpel point. As it stands now T3 is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T2 and sometimes much better then Command or BS. All you whiner got what you wanted, imba solo pwnage mobiles :(. Far to easy to fitt with extrem offens, high resitences, 1600 plates and whatever! Originally by: CCP Nozh Where do tech 3 ships fit in?The goal has always been to have them considerably cheap, around the price of tech 2 cruisers.
Jack Jombardo Amarr Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.03.06 16:38:00 - [8] Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 06/03/2009 16:42:00 Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 06/03/2009 16:39:12 Originally by: Destructor1792 Well after trying multiple setups on the loki ... Short bevor the server went down today I tryed a very nice working Loki setup for groups. Remote repair system webber system AB speed system this 50/50 mix system grid system with additional launcher/turrets Had some problems fitting it as my Mini-toon has no armortank skills atm but with some ducktape g I got a nice setup :). Tanks a bit, suports, does some OK damage and has a great slotlayout. PS: combining all moduls equal of race would call BIG trouble. ECM modul, laser modul, dronebay modul, 8/8/8 slotlayouts, .... Way to hard to balance or they had to make them all equal :/. Originally by: CCP Nozh Where do tech 3 ships fit in?The goal has always been to have them considerably cheap, around the price of tech 2 cruisers.
Jack Jombardo Amarr Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.03.06 17:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Javonite If the SP loss isn't there to justify the ship surpassing older ships, then what's the point? CCP internal: T3 = give old chars a toy. On death slow down the process rate of old player so rookies are able to close up a tiny little bit. But T3 are great ships regardless what some people try to tell you. Fitting oversized stuff MUST result in CPU/GRID problems. Else they would be Strategic BATTLEcruiser or Battleships and not CRUISER . Originally by: CCP Nozh Where do tech 3 ships fit in?The goal has always been to have them considerably cheap, around the price of tech 2 cruisers.
Jack Jombardo Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.10 18:20:00 - [10] Why do you took away the dual bonus of Armor AND Shield Remote repair ? :( This was the most exciting bonus I'd like to take. Loki with the old modul was so sweet for Gangs. And for the new Amarr offense moduls: The drone module is nice BUT why not even 20 or 25 m3 bay/band for the other moduls ? :( One TD and you are out of fight with the other two moduls. One Frig (even a slow one) and you can't do anythink anymore :/. Originally by: CCP Nozh Where do tech 3 ships fit in?The goal has always been to have them considerably cheap, around the price of tech 2 cruisers.

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